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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 23, 2007 23:33:08 GMT 2
Same deal as with the earlier Hulk 2 thread, I figured we're all going to see this, or at least have an interest in - if only for morbid "how badly will they screw it up" levels. Let's face it - it was only a matter of time before they attempted to remake this. Hell, they've done every other franchise, why not one of the very best? And you know what? It could be .. whisper it.. pretty damn good. Rob Zombie is OBVIOUSLY a fan, not just some lazy hack out to make a fast buck. So I'm glad someone with a genuine love for the film and character is in charge. And its nice that he's doing something different; instead of remaking the original, he's doing it from Michaels point of view. Which.. hmm.. could work - but might backfire badly. The scary thing about Myers isn't WHY he kills - it's that he just DOES. Ever since he was a small boy, he was just pure EVIL. (Come on, you know the Loomis speech by now). Anyway, here's the trailer. Gotta admit, it looks better than some of the generic horror dreck that's out there right now.. movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809784517/trailerThoughts? |
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Post by trashcanman on May 27, 2007 23:01:17 GMT 2
"Halloween" is a top-5-of-all-time horror film for me and utterly untouchable in the slasher genre. I hate that they're remaking it, but if I could choose one director not named John Carpenter to do it I'd pick Rob Zombie. After the endearingly psychotic wackiness of his music and "House of 1000 Corpses" I wouldn't have thought it would be a good idea, but "Devil's Rejects" convinced me otherwise. That movie was so freakin' dark, evil, and brutal that I know now that Zombie doesn't have to rely on over-the-top goofiness to entertain. He's a true master of horror and I hope this flick lives up to the original. Also, Michael Myers could kick Freddy AND Jason's asses because he's not some retarded mama's boy or dream-inhabiting child killer out for revenge; he's just a straight psycho murdering machine. No feelings, no reason, no hesitation; just 100% badass.  |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 28, 2007 11:05:14 GMT 2
No feelings, no hesitation? Are you forgetting THIS moment...?  Or are you, like even the makers of the Halloween franchise, pretending it doesn't exist? |
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on May 28, 2007 21:51:17 GMT 2
Hi. Personally, I'm QUITE concerned about this remake. Sure, Rob Zombie might be a big fan...but I must admit I think HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES and DEVIL'S REJECTS were plain shit. That's right, shit. Sorry, trashcanman.  Rob's films just don't appeal to me.  HOUSE suffered from being a TCM remake off-shoot (right down to the Grandpa being brought to dinner). REJECTS suffered from being just gore for gore's sake...or GORNO as they're now calling that film making style. Come on. I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE looks like a honest love note to rape exploitation flicks compared to DEVIL'S REJECTS. I'm sure Rob was aiming for them to not have any redeeming values (which he succeeded in spades) but it just was too much, too fast, too bizarre to fathom. REJECTS also made me fall asleep. ANYTIME I fall asleep while watching a movie for the first time, I don't consider it to be a good sign. It happened with THE HILLS HAVE EYES remake. It almost happened with 1000 CORPSES. I enjoy Rob's music and view on horror, but it ends where his film career begins. IF he minuses the gore (which I'm betting dollars to donuts he doesn't) and still leaves us to guess what TRULY is driving Micheal to kill (which with a stripper mom and the abuse he suffers as a kid being plot points already doesn't bode well on that faint hope)...then he'll win over not only me but all those other HALLOWEEN fans who are even more concerned than I. I think there should be a 50 year moratorium on remakes. You can't remake a movie unless 50 years has officially past. I'm sick to death of remakes. I'm already waiting for the remake of ROCKY BALBOA at this point....starring "THE ROCK" after he's had a stroke that's paralyzed his left side so he can get the accent right. Ugh. Bring me the head of Micheal Bay over at Platinum Dunes!  Best Regards, InvisibleWolfMan |
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Post by trashcanman on May 30, 2007 22:35:57 GMT 2
Maybe it's been awhile for me, but I can't recall where that shot came from, Curmudgeon. Or maybe I just repressed the memory. InvisibleWolfMan, Zombie's films are hardly for everyone and your TCM observation was certainly on the money, but I just really enjoy his overall style and enthusiasm for the material. I don't really follow the "I Spit on Your Grave" comment, but the "too, much, too fast, too bizarre" thing pretty much sums up what I like about Rob Zombie as a musician and a filmmaker. Like I said, not for everybody; though I'll admit that most of the criticisms leveled at him by non-fans are mostly true. I just enjoy the movies in spite of the flaws.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 31, 2007 0:03:10 GMT 2
I actually think Rob is going to tone down a lot of his trademark "too much.." stuff that Wolfman touched on. He knows he's dealing with a classic and he knows the knives will be getting sharpened to rip him to pieces, so I would be VERY surprised if he didn't try and really do something very special with it.
Trashy - that pic came from (I think) Halloween 6, when he chased his little cousin up the stairs, she was hiding in a box, he opened the box, goes to stab her and she looks at him with those big, Bambi eyes and says "Uncle Scooby..?" Well, not the Scooby part, although I often wonder what he would have done if she's said that...
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on Jun 8, 2007 21:00:10 GMT 2
Hello All! Well...the poster is up.  Ugh. Are they're gonna unmask him?!?  Also, why does Rob's villains somehow look like him?  Andy why the stupid August 31st release date?  Isn't that two months shy of "Halloween?" More proof that they don't know what they're doing. Best Regards, InvisibleWolfMan  |
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on Jul 15, 2007 9:04:55 GMT 2
Hi All, I thought I'd help "update" this thread. There have been several reviews (FULL OF SPOILERS, so avoid reading if you don't want to know) of the early "rough cuts" of RZ's HALLOWEEN. The first one is the most recent: www.aintitcool.com/node/33313Not promising, especially considering the opening "review" of just the whole test screening process. Also, here's a link that PROVES he's gonna make it his trademark "too, much, too fast, too bizarre" www.aintitcool.com/node/33205I hate to say it: I TOLD YOU SO.  And then take what you want out of these reviews: www.aintitcool.com/node/33082www.aintitcool.com/node/33079Ugh. The studio sounds ready just to screw this up even further than Rob's misguided (no matter how heartfelt) attempts. Best Regards, InvisibleWolfMan |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jul 15, 2007 22:47:10 GMT 2
I haven't read any of the links, because I don't want to read the spoilers.
I agree on that poster though - bleurgh. That is NOT the Michael Myers I know.
Hmmmm... I'm really not looking forward to this anymore.
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Post by trashcanman on Aug 31, 2007 22:39:43 GMT 2
Here's another AICN review, this one positive and spoiler free. www.aintitcool.com/node/33854 This is the way I'm choosing to look at the film until I see it for myself, hopefully this Monday. To me, enjoying any remake of anything means forgetting about the established mythos -aside from the inevitable references to the original work- and judging it on it's own merit. Granted, those merits are often few and far between, but I'm holding out some hope here. |
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Post by xfiruath on Sept 1, 2007 0:30:20 GMT 2
I'm pretty excited to see this. I didn't care for the original, as it was rather boring and the acting was, well, let's just use the word "silly" so as to not get too offensive with this "classic". Check out the IMDB message boards of this movie for pages and pages of examples were the acting made people laugh when it shouldn't have.
I get the feeling it's not a classic for me because I didn't see it when it first came out in 1978 (wasn't even born yet!), so I'm used to bigger budget, better effects, and gore that is much more explicit rather than implied. If I'd seen it then, I'm sure it woulda scared the living shit out of me.
If Rob Zombie had just done "House of a 1000 corpses" I'd have been quite opposed to him remaking any sort of classic horror, but I agree with Trashcanman - after seeing Devil's Rejects it's clear this a director to look out for. The massive improvement between House and Rejects is so great it's almost ludicrous - and I'd almost say the two movies weren't even made by the same guy if I didn't know better.
All issues of whether this movie will suck or not aside, I'm very happy it's being made because originally the studio responsible for this wanted to make another "Freddy VS. Jason" crossover style movie starring (and it hurts to even type this, let alone think it actually could have happened) Michael Myers and PINHEAD from Hellraiser. Imagine how pissed off all the Halloween fanboys are now, and multiply that by about 10 million and you would have a close approximation of how pissed off people would have been if that had happened. I mean, silent boogeyman killer Myers vs. eloquent, poetic, and supernaturally powered Pinhead? That would have completely ruined both franchises, if the recent slew of craptacular Hellraiser sequels that have nothing to do with the actual series hadn't already. Apparently Zombie convinced them it was a bad idea and that he could make a remake that would please everyone much more. Lesser of two evils maybe?
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Post by trashcanman on Sept 4, 2007 8:10:39 GMT 2
All right, my verdict is in. The end result is, like the reviews, a mixed bag. Is the remake as good as the original? No. Is it a shitty cash-in that craps all over the original with flagrant disregard for the hardcore horror fan? Hell no. It's a good time, a ground-floor re-imagining of Michael Myers, and an interesting look at the architecture of a psychopath, but it will never and can never be the true "Halloween" experience. It's more of an entertaining curiosity and a love letter to a legendary horror icon. Rob Zombie damn near slips into parody on a few occasions, particularly in the opening scene featuring Mike's ridiculously white-trash family. I mean, I'm a big believer in profanity as entertainment, but at least keep it realistic; no family can pack that many expletives and vile sexual references into one conversation. It's funny, but I'm not entirely sure it was meant to be. Then there's the music, full of classic rock anthems like "Don't Fear the Reaper" and ironic selections like "Mister Sandman". One girl you may think dies because she's a cheeleading slut, but I prefer to think Michael killed her for turning off The Misfits. Now, there's a slasher I can identify with. But the moment where young Mikey is left alone with no one to take him trick-or-treating while "Love Hurts" plays was just lame. And yet still disturbingly sad to me  I love Halloween, what can I say? But, come on man, you're a big enough boy to massacre your family, but you can't cross the street by yourself? I was actually worried that Zombie would attempt to humanize Myers too much and spoil the very things that make him my favorite franchise killer, and after seeing the film I'm still not sure how I feel about that. Little Mikey is a psycho from the start, and his bizarre fixation on masks is actually quite an intriguing vehicle. That clown mask gave me chills more than once and the way he would take it off to admire his handiwork as if it was somebody else's before slipping it back on to finish the job was brilliant. But you still know he's human well into his stay at the psycho ward. It's there that the man becomes the monster and you see nothing resembling a human again until the end is nigh. Laurie proves to be a remarkably charming prey item, but the final chase is where my mind started to wander a bit. What should have been the most intense and thrilling part just kind of made me go "meh" . The cutting was pretty amateurish and it just kind of gave me that been-there-seen-that feel. And I swear, if there is one kill that has become truly cliche it's the hands-on-the-side-of-head-while-using-thumbs-to-put-out-eyes shocker. Only I've seen it so many times now it's not shocking anymore. After it was used to such brutal effect in "28 Weeks Later", I don't think it'll ever give me that "HOLY shit!" feeling again. Overall though, this is as good as modern remakes get so I'll chalk it up as a victory. Best line: "Come on, baby, I want to do it with the mask on." The mask in question brought on some little screams from the teenaged audience I saw the movie with . That moment is the kind of experience I go to the theaters to have. Awesome. All of Zombie's usuals made the trip from Danny Trejo (always a welcome sight) in a refreshingly uncharacteristic role, to Sid Haig, to wife Sherri Moon's beautiful rear end  ; the man loves his regulars. As a separate, unconnected entity to the original "Halloween", I really enjoyed this movie, but I'll still take good ol' original pure evil, no motive, invincible seeker-and-destroyer Michael Myers over this hulking, tragic version. |
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Rob's films just don't appeal to me. 
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Also, why does Rob's villains somehow look like him? 
Andy why the stupid August 31st release date? 
I love Halloween, what can I say? But, come on man, you're a big enough boy to massacre your family, but you can't cross the street by yourself? 
; the man loves his regulars. As a separate, unconnected entity to the original "Halloween", I really enjoyed this movie, but I'll still take good ol' original pure evil, no motive, invincible seeker-and-destroyer Michael Myers over this hulking, tragic version.