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Post by The Curmudgeon on Dec 14, 2015 14:57:59 GMT 2
Forget the Kardashians or Bieber or whoever else always gets talked about. THE most talked about person, probably this year, is this asshole.  And to his credit, it's like he's the only person running for President. I don't follow American politics too much, but Clinton sometimes gets a little bit of column inches, Sanders? Nope. I had to look up the other guys. But Trump? Holy shit. This prick's face is EVERYWHERE. It's for almost all of the wrong reasons, of course, but if there's no such thing as bad publicity Trump should be ruling the fucking moon by now. I read an article earlier this week that summed it up, though; it's no longer enough to simply laugh Trump off. That won't cut it. His comments about Mexicans were terrible but nothing that hasn't been said before. But this new shit, this "ban all Muslim's from entering the country" isn't only offensive, it's dangerous. I'm not 100% sure how that would be policed if it were to happen, other than "do you have a brown face?" Which is probably the main idea anyway. Thankfully most of the world have taken considerable exception to this guy (I notice Fox News weren't keen to stick the knife in.. amazingly, huh?) but over here in the UK I'd like to think we've done our bit. There was an online petition to ban Trump from entering the UK, and it got so many signatures it crashed the website. It's now THE most signed petition of all time in Britain, with 438,000 signatures cleared over 4 days ago. No idea where it is now. He bought the famous Turnberry Golf Course in Scotland a few years ago to host the the Open tournament, but golf's governing body voted to remove the club from hosting the tournament while Trump owns it. Basically, the United Kingdom is having none of Trump's poison. So what's the climate like over there right now? |
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Post by trashcanman on Dec 14, 2015 22:31:43 GMT 2
I try to avoid this whole thing. It seems like most people think he's a complete piece of shit, but there's a guy I work with whose all in. I spent the other day explaining that thousands (if not millions) of people die horribly every single day and relatively few of those are caused by Muslims. And if the news spends 24-7-365 screaming about terrorist attacks that happen once every ten years or whatever and acting like we should exterminate an entire people based on the action of a few when so many other people are doing things just as bad the whole year round you seriously have to consider the angles here. I mean, white people shoot up schools/churches/movie theaters/whatever several times a year and they freak out at the prospect of banning guns, but the same people's reaction to a terrorist attack on the other side of the world is to ban an entire religion? Explain the logic.
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Post by Ben on Dec 14, 2015 22:32:49 GMT 2
"So what's the climate like over there right now?"
Wild. Trump gets 75% of the headlines, Hillary and Bernie get the rest, the Republican party is talking about sabotaging Trump even if he wins the primary, which would effectively end the party... It's fucking wild.
I gotta say though, for all his bluster and hot air and big talk and bad press, Trump's not wrong in principle on a lot of his stuff. The U.S. couldn't ban all Muslim immigrants from entering the country even if it wanted to (like you said, how can you tell what someone's religion is unless they tell you?), but bringing over tens of thousands of Syrian refugees even their neighbors won't accept ain't no solution either. Saudi Arabia has the capacity to take ALL of them, for Christ's sake, but they won't have any of em.
And Mexico? In addition to the millions of illegal immigrants in the U.S. via Mexico, our border with those guys is also the reason for most of our illegal firearms and drugs. Not to mention 90% of the illegal immigrants will vote Democrat once they're granted citizenship. It's a pretty transparent scheme by the left to guarantee they win the Presidency for the next 3 decades.
Trump is evidence that people would rather have a raging douchebag as President than someone who lies to us with every breath. Politicians should take note.
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Post by trashcanman on Dec 15, 2015 21:34:59 GMT 2
But the thing is that Trump is lying AND he's a raging douchebag. And he's also gone bankrupt what four times? The man's only talent is self promotion and that's not really anything that translates to being a world leader. And let's be honest, Mexicans in general are a wildly conservative people in almost every possible sense. If Republicans would stop blaming them for their own drug habits and calling them thieves and rapists, they'd almost certainly get their vote.
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Post by Ben on Dec 17, 2015 3:55:24 GMT 2
Politics is all about perception. It doesn't matter if he's lying or not because people hear him lambaste political correctness and insult career politicians with every breath and they love it. The bankruptcy thing isn't really a big deal; I've not looked into Trump's issues with that specifically, but when wealthy businesspeople dabble with it, it doesn't mean they're broke. It's just a reorganization of assets and debts. I mean, he's self-funding his campaign. He's doing something right.
I am skeptical about his actual skill to be President. I doubt any other world leader will bully him into anything, and he might do the reverse to a few folks for better or worse, but he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who's got the patience to play the political game. I could see Congress isolating him. But 8 years of getting nothing done won't be anything new for America. Thanks, Obama.
As for Mexicans, it doesn't matter how conservative they are as a people because even if they align with Republicans on every issue imaginable, they're still going to vote for the party that's going to give their countrymen and relatives amnesty. And amnesty is just a scheme to turn Texas blue.
I don't want to have to participate in an election where my two options are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, but if it comes to that, I'm not voting for the Hildebeast.
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Post by trashcanman on Dec 17, 2015 20:18:24 GMT 2
When a rich person loses all of their money, the government pays them back for it. When we lose all of our money (usually because people like Trump take it), we become homeless. Bankruptcy means you racked up more debt than your business can pay for and you expect somebody else (us) to foot the bill. Thanks, Reagan. Call bankruptcy reorganization of assets all you want, but that's what it means. Like illegal immigrants are simply reassessing their citizenship options, terrorists are expressing their dissatisfaction with our political process, and thieves are redistributing wealth so really there's nothing wrong with it, right? But who bails you out when you run the country who's been reimbursing your failures into the ground?
And good god, Ben, if Mexicans would vote for whoever gave them amnesty and that was the real issue at hand, Republicans would give it to them tomorrow on a silver platter. Political power and the profit that comes with it will overcome any amount of racism or nationalism on its worst day. And Clinton has lived a life filled with failure, incompetence, and blatant evil. The fact that people like her and Trump are even in the running is all of the proof positive that your vote doesn't count and it never will. People vote for whoever is paraded in front of them by the media and the media is owned by billionaires with their own interests and only their own interests at heart. That's why when they lose all of their money, the government pays it all back to them using our money and they call it reorganizing debts and assets. This assures that no matter who you vote for, you're simply fucked unless you were born into money or win the lottery.
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Post by Ben on Dec 18, 2015 19:23:41 GMT 2
Man, I don't think you're being bleak enough. Try not to be so optimistic, would ya?
In all seriousness, I know nobody's vote actually counts. Not at the presidential level, anyway, and seldom even at the Congressional level. The idea that "anyone" can be President has always been bunk; the last time a candidate won without spending within about $5mil of his opponent was in 1964. Modern politics is very simple: you spend, you win.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm still not buying the amnesty argument. Latinos favor Democrats on economic issues too, and like you've been saying, the Republican party has the reputation of the enemy in hispanic communities.
And with the bankruptcy thing all I meant is that most wealthy folks don't have as high a percentage of their personal capital on the line as a Pleb like you or I who would (or it's distributed across numerous business ventures and investments), which is why we would end up broke and a rich guy wouldn't. It's merely a matter of failed business ventures compared to successful ones, and Trump's personal record is pretty heavily weighted towards the latter. But you're dead on about government bailouts, that's for sure.
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Post by lemex on Jan 23, 2016 21:34:35 GMT 2
What do you think would happen if he was elected?
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 23, 2016 23:27:38 GMT 2
Either I die laughing as our cities burn or Trump miraculously fixes the country and I decide a racist loudmouth piece of shit who knows what he's doing is better than the pseudo-tolerant institutional bastards we've had up until now.
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 24, 2016 20:21:31 GMT 2
Oh God, look at this: talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-wilson-donald-trump-single-menSo thanks to this insane bit of political commentary, now there's an ironic pro-Trump movement based around anime. Thanks, internet.    And since idiots and anime are involved, 4chaners have targeted Rick Wilson and started sending him hilarious death threats:  Welcome to politics in 2016, Ricky. |
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Post by Ben on Jan 28, 2016 7:06:25 GMT 2
Either I die laughing as our cities burn or Trump miraculously fixes the country and I decide a racist loudmouth piece of shit who knows what he's doing is better than the pseudo-tolerant institutional bastards we've had up until now. Not a bad way to put it. To answer Lemex's question myself: If elected, Trump will likely do a whole bunch of nothing as the establishment politicians on both sides actively sabotage any major legislation he proposes. I'm not convinced he's cut out for the job, anyway. Everyone making Hitler comparisons and predicting unprecedented catastrophe is a fool, though. The presidency doesn't hold that much political power. |
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 28, 2016 22:44:44 GMT 2
Oh come on, Ben. Common sense has no place in online political discussions. When was the last time we had a president who wasn't compared to Hitler anyways? I don't think you can be considered a legitimate candidate until somebody equates you with genocide and senseless worldwide warfare.
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Post by Ben on Feb 1, 2016 3:03:49 GMT 2
Actually... You're exactly right.
Just curious, what do you think of Bernie? Aside from him being 700 years old and all.
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Post by trashcanman on Feb 2, 2016 6:14:02 GMT 2
I won't pretend to be following any of this election stuff. In fact, I avoid it when I can. I've been loathing Trump and Clinton most of my life so I'm familiar with them, but beyond that I don't know much about any of the other candidates. Given election trends in my lifetime I highly inclined to believe that they don't even count our votes and the whole thing is just a performance to make voters feel important (hence the "I voted" stickers). But assuming that's a load of bullshit, your assessment that the president doesn't really have that much power is dead on so I really do believe that it doesn't matter who the face of our government's corruption is beyond personal preference. If Hitler came back to life and balanced the budget by reinstating tariffs, shifting the remaining tax burden to the wealthy, prosecuting white collar crime and enforcing anti-trust laws, and getting us out of other peoples' countries, he'd have my vote. Bygones and all that.
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