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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on May 26, 2008 20:59:29 GMT 2
 Confused by the image above? Well...that's how I felt when watching the new HULK trailer and clips: media.movies.ign.com/media/569/569136/vids_1.htmlwww.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1588023&vid=235404movies.yahoo.com/summer-movies/Incredible-Hulk/1808495230/trailers/106/902Now, I could get all geeky here and start spouting loads of acquired knowledge from roughly 30 years of experience, but I'll keep it short: 1) I'm NOT impressed with the "Blansky Battles Hulk" clip. Hulk can't hit his target with his HUGE Hulk Hand Battle armor(tm) ?!? It also get REPEATED in the "Street Fight" clip...to even more boring effect, despite the fact it's actually AGAINST something worthwhile to fight against. 2) There's alot of talk they are going "back" to the TV show idea of "man on the run." Well, those clips may be of a man on the run but they don't hold a candle to even the worst episode of THE INCREDIBLE HULK tv show. It looks more like a guy who's out to escape a couple of hoodlums just so he won't have to pay again for all the DMR'd .mp3's on his iPod. Holy frijoles.... |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 26, 2008 21:16:32 GMT 2
I've not looked at those links on purpose (which is why I didn't post them) 'cos I think they're in danger of showing TOO much Hulk before the film comes out. The same thing happened with King Kong and it was pretty damaging, for me anyway.
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on May 27, 2008 6:13:28 GMT 2
I'm assuming you're trying to stay "spoiler-free." We already know what Hulk looks like....as well as Abomination. You even posted about Abomination some time back (I'm too lazy to dig it up at the moment). Heck, there's really nothing more they're showing you with these clips that you haven't already seen with the trailers which is why they've put them up (I suppose). Besides, the Hulk only has one formula;
Banner tries to find cure.
Banner runs into problem preventing him from solving that cure.
Banner runs into someone that needs him.
Banner has to protect/save that someone when his problems start to spill onto them...even if it means turning into the Hulk again.
Banner slips away only to move on and have the process repeat once more.
Those points are made clearly in the trailer and there's NO way they're stopping with this Hulk film as they always need a franchise. I think the biggest problem with the clips is that it actually reveals that the plot has been slapped together. I'll make a public apology directly here if I watch the film and am proven wrong.
Oh, and I think PJ's KING KONG was DEFINITELY crap. Ranks right below SON OF KONG and KING KONG LIVES if you ask me. It wasn't revealing Kong (again, we know generally what he'd look like anyways) but trying to keep it at such a HUGE running time. We take forever to get to Skull Island, we take TWICE as long to stay there...which feels like we're watching the deleted clips of JURASSIC PARK that Steven said "UGH! TOO MUCH!" to. Then we get to NY and it just....falls flat. There's no good build up of tension...there's just TOO much filler material in-between. TOO MUCH. I blame working on LOTR for the reasons PJ's KK failed.
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Post by Benjamin Haines on May 27, 2008 7:55:32 GMT 2
You've got the right idea in avoiding those clips, C. I've only seen one trailer for this movie (the one that played before Iron Man), and that trailer pretty much spelled out the entire plot of the movie. I think it looks like it could be a cool movie, but I fucking hate it when studios do that, making the trailer basically a two-minute abridged version of the entire movie. Sony went absolutely crazy in this regard when they were releasing trailers and clips for Spider-Man 2 and especially Spider-Man 3.
Anyway, one single trailer for The Incredible Hulk spelling out the entire unfolding of the movie in linear fashion was enough for me. I don't know what Universal are thinking in releasing this barrage of clips and scene chunks so close to the film's release, but I say avoid it and just wait for the movie.
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Post by trashcanman on May 27, 2008 11:00:09 GMT 2
That's what I'm doing. I'm not 100% on seeing this yet; I'm waiting for some preliminary reviews on quality. I'd rather Hulk pop up in the Avengers film and kick some Iron ass. I'm certain that will happen, and I believe that this film is just a re-introduction of the character as a preface to that fateful day when the Avengers assemble. After all, as Wolfman pointed out, Hulk stories are all more or less the same. One starring role and then a supporting one would work best for this character cinema-wise.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 27, 2008 14:32:26 GMT 2
I thought the initial Hulk traier (the one posted here a few months ago) was fantastic. Yeah, it showed you both monsters, which surprised me a bit, but it finished on that big "clash" moment, and also showed you the quality of the cast involved.
I don't think it'll be an Iron Man beater, but I really do have high hopes for Incredible Hulk. I just don't like the fact the film studio is showing pretty much the main scenes you would pay money to see.
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on May 27, 2008 20:30:58 GMT 2
I don't have high hopes for THE INCREDIBLE HULK at all. Don't get me wrong, I don't wish a GIGLI style disaster on it at all...but I don't expect it to even hold a candle to THE RETURN OF THE INCREDIBLE HULK...and if you remember the first TV appearance of Thor alongside our beloved TV version of the Hulk, you know I'm not setting the bar that high. I'm just hoping it hits a bit higher than, say, THE TRIAL OF THE INCREDIBLE HULK with Daredevil's first TV outing.
You can't sell this movie without revealing the plot. The CGI is dodgy at best, let's not beat around the bush here. So they are hoping the plot will captivate everyone...which is basically the Hulk getting pissed and smashing everything. Not only they, they are trying to distance themselves FAR AWAY from Ang Lee's HULK. Ang Lee's HULK was messy, but it got Hulk right at least 50% of the time. The end of it truly failed what could've been a fresher view.
The RIGHT way to approach this would have been to do a "forced" perspective on a REAL person portraying the Hulk...somewhat similar to what they did with Gandalf for LOTR. And slow the footage down so he'd seem like a BIG force ready to destroy. Anyone here who's seen the TV version knows they slowed down Lou anytime he was on screen so he seemed to be even bigger and stronger with the lower camera angles they used. AND...it would've saved a budget big enough to finance a few rewrites that might improve the tepid storyline we can see from the plot revealed.
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Post by trashcanman on Jun 7, 2008 2:27:10 GMT 2
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on Jun 7, 2008 11:20:10 GMT 2
I'm still heavily on the fence on this, and that's because those clips show dodgier CGI than the first HULK film had. I won't pass harsher judgment on the film until I see it myself...but I can't shake the feeling that they've dropped the ball somehow. No man can get kicked by the Hulk and live, let alone still avoid his punches and such. And...I wouldn't trust Harry Knowles nor the AICN team as they 1) got two free INCREDIBLE HULK screenings direct from Universal to help promote the film and 2) they praised the HELL out of ATTACK OF THE CLONES.  |
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Post by trashcanman on Jun 8, 2008 2:44:06 GMT 2
Good points all, but AICN's crimes pale in comparison to most other big-shot critics (Ebert in particular). At the end of the day, those guys are total nerds -which is to say they get overly excited at times. It's alright, so do I. I actually enjoyed AOTC the most out of all the NT films so no harm there. Hell, Kevin fucking Smith praised ROTS as better than "Empire". I love the guy but that is madness! My fingers are still crossed, for Hulk but I can guarantee I will give this one a shot in the theaters now when before I was thinking "possible rental".
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Post by Benjamin Haines on Jun 8, 2008 6:27:25 GMT 2
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jun 11, 2008 22:08:30 GMT 2
I'm not reading any reviews. Good, bad, terrible or amazing - I want to see it myself. Hopefully this Sunday... I mentioned this to Benjamin on Cerebro, but thought I'd bring it up here too. We all know Iron Man is in Hulk, but did you know there were rumours Captain America would show up? Fanboy gushing, right? Wrong. He IS in there. But you're still not getting to see him. The scene was cut, but, in a rather cynical move, it WILL appear on the DVD. Hmmmmm. www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4660.asp |
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Post by Benjamin Haines on Jun 15, 2008 7:00:15 GMT 2
I just saw it a bit ago, and it ROCKS! Great envisioning of the Hulk. Much, much better than the 2003 film (which I did like).
The trailers for this movie suck. They make it look like by-the-numbers Hulk formula and for the most part they spell out the entire plot of the movie. Avoid them as much as possible before seeing this film, and by no means should you let them stop you from seeing this film, because it is such a treat. This is very much the Hulk movie we've been waiting for.
It isn't perfect, though. The editing is its biggest fault as it is pretty jarry. Now I see why Norton was fighting Marvel on the editing process for this flick, because Marvel decided to really cut back on the drama scenes and try to simplify the story as much as possible. They didn't make it nonstop action or anything, but I thought it was very obvious when some scenes felt cut short or too fleeting. It's not nearly as bad or problematic as, say, Spider-Man 3 or Godzilla: Final Wars, but it is along those lines. There is no doubt in my mind that we'll be seeing an extended cut on DVD, with the drama and the characters more fleshed out and a more relaxed pace.
That's not to say that there's anything particularly wrong with this theatrical version, because it still rocks regardless and it is very much character-oriented. Edward Norton is fantastic as Bruce Banner, as he really sells the role and makes the plight of the Incredible Hulk something genuinely credible. He shows the same skill Robert Downey Jr. pulled off so well in Iron Man in that he's able to be interesting and carry entire scenes even when he's the only person on the screen for an extended period of time. Tim Roth nailed the part of Blonsky too; he might have stolen the show with a bit more screen time.
The "fugitive on the run" and Hulk action sequences were all handled incredibly well, hitting all the right points of intensity and adrenaline, and the big showdown with the Abomination at the end was appropriately the high point of the film's action. The CGI for the Hulk was good enough for the most part. Some shots were pretty iffy, while others were wonderful. The worst of it could thankfully only be called as bad as a video game, as nothing looked anywhere near the level of cartoony slop as the dreadful CGI from the 2003 film. All in all, suspension of disbelief really isn't a problem as far as the special effects are concerned here.
It's not as good as Iron Man, but The Incredible Hulk is a fantastic achievement in the realm of cinematic superhero efforts. Cast your doubts aside, head to your local cineplex and see this one in all of its booming, roaring glory on the big screen.
And the ending sets up the future oh so deliciously - in more ways than one, I assure you.
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Post by trashcanman on Jun 15, 2008 11:21:00 GMT 2
Busy weekend for me. No Hulk or Happening for me for a few days. Stupid Father's Day! Expect me to weigh in on this on Monday. Sounds good, Haines, sounds REAL good. I'll expect an extended edition DVD on this. Sweet.
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Post by trashcanman on Jun 16, 2008 11:07:53 GMT 2
Alright. Caught it, dug it. It's not in the same league as "Iron Man", but it's a solid adaptation. I still would like to see a ranting Hulk, though; not just a two lines in the whole movie Hulk. This would have been kicked to a whole new level if they'd splurged and had Iron Man show up to stop Hulk and get stomped outright. Would have knocked the kiddies right out of their seats. I loved the supersoldier stuff, though. 100% pure Marvel.
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