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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jan 23, 2009 1:58:47 GMT 2
Had a couple of depressing conversations the other day;
One girl I know downloaded 400(!) songs in one night. How the fuck is music supposed to have any worth or value when its so disposable like that? Will she honestly listen and appreciate that music? No chance.
Then I heard someone sold every CD they own because they have them on MP3 format. "Saves space," apparently.
Then someone else told me they don't buy albums; they only want the odd song and "the rest is full of crap."
These opinions deeply worry me. Nowadays, even for people who download music legally (unlike example 1), there's no real NEED to buy albums anymore. iTunes makes it possible to "cherry pick" the hits and not worry about the rest of the album. When before you would buy an album for the few songs you know and grow to love the rest, that can now be a thing of the past.
We all have albums that are like old friends; albums you can play and know every line, every guitar lick.. that feeling when you hear a song on the radio and expect to hear the following song from the album next? Yeah.. we've all been there. And it's something that some people are never going to know.
Two bands I'm into, a British band called Ash recently said they're never going to release any more albums because the format is dead and too restrictive, and that they'll only release singles online from now on. And Marilyn Manson recently said today's generation don't have the attention span for albums.
Scary times. So do you think the Long Player will survive?
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 23, 2009 6:59:51 GMT 2
They'll survive the same way records have. There are always going to be hardcore fans who want full-length albums and bands proficient and awesome enough to record albums of songs that flow together perfectly like a single piece. I think Manson has long lacked the attention span to even RECORD a full decent album so it's no wonder he thinks that. Then again, if I had girls like Dita Von Teese and Rose McGowan, my creative (ahem) "juices" would be diverted elsewhere as well. Screw bands who only want to release singles. They'll never get a dollar of my hard-earned. Remember when bands released an album a year? Now these bitches want to record one overproduced SONG a year or whatever? Fuck 'em. If they aren't proficient enough to write and record a full album, they need to get a real job and stop playing at being artists.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jan 23, 2009 16:44:04 GMT 2
Well, it did seem a spooky coincidence that Ash announced they would never release another album after their last album utterly tanked in the charts. Funny that.
And again with the Manson hate. I don't get it Trashy - what do you dislike so much about the guy? He's intelligent, a decent writer (his autobiography is a scream), he's good live, he pisses off the right people and he's got some great songs. What's not to love?
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 24, 2009 12:27:09 GMT 2
I've yet to hear a decent Manson song that wasn't ripped off of somebody else. He's not intelligent, he's eloquent which is to say he uses big words, but usually talks nonsense. His live stuff is usually stolen. And yes, he pisses off the right people, but to what end? His only real message is "look at how SCARY I am". But he doesn't scare me and he seldom seems to take his music seriously at all, as if overproduction is the be-all-end all. Things like when he said he had three guitars on each track because three is a powerful magic number make him seem buffoonish to me. This is what happens when you watch "Charmed" too much. The way he keeps trying to duplicate his early success with "Sweet Dreams" (which did rock) by trying every 80's cover he can think of. The way he RUINS classic tunes with unspeakably bad versions of them ("Highway to Hell", "The KKK Took My Baby Away", etc) just so he can get on every tribute compilation he can find. His autobiography is supposedly made up. He talks all that trash about Christianity and then goes to church. Even I don't go to church on basic principle and I AM a Christian. Manson has no principles to speak of, he just wants to be a media whore and get attention by being obnoxious but play the intellectual at the same time. But most of all, I just don't care for his music and his voice grates my nerves. Every time I hear him it's like "hey, that riff is from a Ministry song", "that chorus is a ridiculously blatant rip-off of a Faith No More song", "sounded better when Trent Reznor did it", "oh, so now it's Bowie time, it it?", "wow, he's singing at a podium just like Alice Cooper used to do", "ooh, another 80's cover, and it's Personal Jesus. Get it? 'Cause he's the antichrist! Oh Manson, you're such a scalawag!". It all just strikes me as so artificial. And it's never a good sign when every member of your band quits and comes back with a laundry list of things you stole from them and didn't give them credit for.
Answer your question?
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Post by Ben on Jan 26, 2009 3:05:22 GMT 2
I had this discussion with my old man the other day. He says CDs will be gone in 5 years. I have a hard time believing they'll go THAT quick, and even if they do I'm still gonna buy them.
And about Manson, maybe Alice Cooper said it best, Curmudgeon: "Marilyn, I AM your father!"
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jan 26, 2009 16:57:23 GMT 2
Ouch. 5 years? fuck, I hope not. And as for Manson (and that's what I love about this place, we're not all clones or nodding dogs agreeing with each other), I honestly think the guy's brilliant. When I first saw the Beautiful People video I instantly called my friend to tell him about it; Manson was like something from another planet. I love the fact Manson instantly turns off so many people (and I don't mean guys like Trashcanman). I mean jocks who, at the time he was at his commercial peak, were jumping around to Limp Bizkit but were, let's not mince words, intimidated by Manson's persona. And some "rock" fans - who seem to think guitar music begins and ends with Bon Jovi - (I've met these people) who think Marilyn Manson is the anti-Christ. He's not perfect by any means; his string of 80s covers show both a lack of ideas and a cynical money-making side to him, but fuck it, I just don't listen to them. Derivative of bands and artists before him or not (and Manson himself does list his inspirations and often wears them on his sleeve, so to speak), the fire and fury in singles like "Fight Song" and "Disposable Teens" surely can't be denied. The fact that these were HIT songs that got played on the radio is surely a good thing. When the Holywood album came out, in a time of Limp Bizkit and pointless novelty, comedy rock bands like Bowling For Soup were popular, Manson's music, message and persona seemed more relevant and God-damn essential than ever. Rock music shouldn't be something to be sniggered at or, worse, inoffensive garbage the milk man can whistle to; it should strike something in the hearts of those who listen and strike fear in the hearts of those who don't. For me, that's Marilyn Manson. For the record, I have no problem with genuine rock fans, Ben and Trashy that means you, not liking Manson's music, and Trashy your arguments are as sound and valid as any I've heard. But the people who say they "like rock music" but who don't like Manson, and you can read any Youtube video to understand the people I mean, because he looks "like a queer" or that he's scary or weird looking or he's "for goths" (ugh) makes me like the guy even more. Anyway, preaching to the unconvertible as I am, here's my favourite ever Marilyn Manson song (the chorus still gives me goosebumps) .. enjoy(?) uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YdyKgjh2_-k&feature=related |
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