So..9/11.

[The Curmudgeon]

Of course, it would have been preferable to post this yesterday but.. well, real life got in the way. What you gonna do?

So, it's probably not escaped anyone's attention that it's now been 10 years since the US attacks, and the footage of those attacks on the Twin Towers are still as frightening and sickening as ever.

Ten years on though.. and still those questions remain unanswered. I'm no conspiracy theorist (people, especially now on the net, will cry "conspiracy!" to any event) but some things just don't add up. The Pentagon attack is a baffling series of what seems like half-truths and mis-direction. A fucking PLANE hits and there's no wreckage? No bodies? And we have no real footage of the plane hitting, except for 5 heavily edited seconds? What's that about?

Some things just still don't make any sense. And the 2nd plane with no windows??

Will we ever get all the answers?

[trashcanman]

Happy 9-11 day, everyone! Next year they are having a Macy's Parade! 24 hours of pity porn on every network yesterday. Ugh. Can we get over this already? It was a truly horrifying act and I was as stunned as anyone at the time, but it's been ten years and we have spent almost every day of it raining death on people who had nothing to do with it. American troop deaths alone surpass the death count of the 9-11 attacks, and the suffering we've caused in the Middle East fucking DWARFS the significance of a couple of planes hitting a couple of buildings. Seriously. FUCK OFF, MEDIA!

Some of them have been puzzled out, and you'll probably be amazed at the #1 suspect.
Read on: whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

You know how I found that shit out? A rap song. I was fact-checking claims made by a rapper and ran across some stuff that points out how fucking STUPID the conspiracy theorists are. They are talking bullshit about Building 7 and cell phones not working above 10,0000 feet and what temperature steel melts at (doesn't need to melt if a fucking plane crashes into it) and other nonsensical bullshit when the facts they need to focus on are the fact that Bin Laden not only never confessed, but actually denied carrying out the attacks. Comments he made in some of the post 9-11 videos that supposedly implicated him seem to indicate he was as surprised as we were. And to make it worse, there is the fact that we funded every motherfucker currently shooting at us. Funded them, trained them, sold them the guns they are killing our troops with, and are paying Halliburton to rebuild their cities after we level them. The wealthiest of the wealthy in America are making record profits out of every single goddamn aspect of this conflict. THIS is the stuff the conspiracy theorists need to be pointing out, but their ignorance and behavior has pretty much assured that the truth will never come out until 50 years or so down the road when they declassify some documents like they did for Pearl Harbor and -to quote the Dead Kennedys- "by then, it's only so much paper". The mythology built up by the media over 5 decades or so is POWERFUL in the minds of the people. Documentation and historical fact have no place when the story they displace is about American victimization and subsequent heroism. This is just life.

[Quillford]

It is at this point that things like "Loose Change" and "Zeitgeist" become relevant. I think in fact they are both on youtube for your viewing displeasure. It raises some good points, questions. Things that could only have X-files or government cover up answers perhaps? I think 9/11 is like the titanic switch with the Mary rose. The JFK assassination... all these things are bad, when something bad happens people NEED some crutch to have so people dying isn't just 'business' like terrorism or lone gunmen would make it. Do I think it was a conspiracy? NO. I do however understand that there is some rather big discrepancies in the report after. But I can't see or understand why anyone would want to blow up 2000 of there own citizens in their most financially profiting building along with the stock market.
But colour me on the fence with the definitives as I know not of which way this event took place. I think if anything positive can come out of this car crash is that america is now paranoid and like wise is a lot more careful about what happens with their airlines.

[Mrs_C]

I think. That. They received threats (that much we do know) the planes hit the towers, by then they knew about the other 2 that had be hijacked.

I think they shot the plane (which supposedly hit the pentagon) out of the sky elsewhere and covered it up by hitting an already empty (was being renovated) part of the pentagon with a missile to cover up the fact they shot a plane full of innocent people out of the sky that may (or may not) have had a hijacker on it. (it would certainly explain why there was NO fatalities at the scene within the 1st 2 hours)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICoHhLjFK48

Something else which I found odd check this video out there is no fire damage at all to the area surrounding the crash site.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=related

There is also chat that there was a flash just before the 2nd plane hit and although I find it unlikely (it could) have been another missile which was supposed to shoot the plane down before it hit the building but was too late and struck the tower just as the plane did.

I have no doubt that a terrorist attack was conducted on that day. Was it orchestrated by the US government? No I don't believe so. But I do believe that certain events took place on that day which seem to not add up and that may have been a half arsed attempt by the Bush Administration to cover up questionable methods of preventing further loss of life.

I still feel overwhelming sadness when watching the footage and like most people I am also fascinated at what I saw take place that day and the reasons why. I watched the memorial on Sunday in the pub and I understand why people my think of it as being in the past and perhaps we should start to forget but I feel these people deserve to be remembered in the same way we Honor fallen soldiers on remembrance day (which originally remembered the fallen from the 1st world war) especially the brave people from the Fire Department. They were never really trained for what happened on that day, I mean they have entered burning buildings and terrible environments but by all accounts these people must have felt, going into the buildings that there was a good chance they may never make it out, but they went in anyway, put their lives on the line to help people they had never met and so many of these good people died. THAT is why there deserves to be a memorial service every year.

[trashcanman]

There is absolutely no doubt that it was a conspiracy. Just a matter of whose. A terrorist sect? That's their story and they're sticking to it. The US government? Not likely. The only reasoning would be the NWO (which I don't buy), or just so Halliburton and the arms dealers could make record moolah, and I don't think the risk outweighs the reward there. That was just a happy bonus. I'll repost this link real quick. Do click it. whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

This information clearly points to a frame-up by our "friends" in Israel for the sake of our future support of their cruelty against the Palestinians and Islam in general that is beginning to harken (ironically) back to Nazi Germany. I fucking remember those reports. I've talked to people who believe absolutely everything the government has said about 9-11 that remember those reports, and even they were disturbed that the story utterly vanished. They never knew it was the Mossad. Nobody bothered reporting it over here. Instead, they filled our head with "tributes", hyperbole, and the usual political bullshit, and it was all but forgotten. Only the idiot "tin-foil hat" conspiracy theorists got any play, while the most pertinent facts were kept off the air entirely. If it's not on tv, it never happened. That is the sad reality we live in.

There's a great doc called "In Plane Sight" www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj65rMeUvaQ that reviews the footage of the planes hitting the buildings (footage that was NEVER shown again, not even on the 10th anniversary "celebration") and yes, there are unusual bonus features on at least one of the planes. And that mysterious flash Mrs C mentioned (which at first looks like a glare) appears at every angle. It's extremely bizarre. If you've got the time, I really recommend you give it IPS a look. So did our government destroy a beloved landmark and a few thousand lives for profit? Prolly not. Have they presented us with the facts of the case? Not even close. Did a perpetually shady foreign government that borders on fascism do it to gain our support against their enemies? Could happen. Did a bunch of religious lunatic former allies go through all that trouble to bring the American military down on their own heads and have their country destroyed and families killed because they hate our freedom? Nigga, please.

I don't need a crutch, I know people dying is an everyday goddamn thing. In other countries, some world-ending shit like 9-11 is just another Friday in a warzone. I am NOT some dope who needs to make something out of nothing or can't accept that shit happens. But I will not have my mind controlled by the media or the ones controlling the media. Reality is out there, whether or not it's pumped 24-7 into my living room. The guy signing the paychecks for the networks (most of whom are owned by the same small group of people) decides what you see, what you hear, what you KNOW, if you let them. If that isn't mind control, don't know what is. Thank God we've got alternative media. Now if people would just use it. Information worth knowing is something actively sought, never what's spoonfed to you. It sucks, but it's life.

[Mrs_C]

Well said Trashy