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Post by trashcanman on Nov 9, 2016 10:56:41 GMT 2
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Nov 9, 2016 12:22:25 GMT 2
I came in to update my "Trump is winning this" tthread, but this will do. Just... fuck. I can't believe it. Although, when I realised the "grab her by the pussy" stuff failed to stick, or at least change opinions, I knew he had it in the bag. I think Clinton just wasn't a strong enough contender and all the fraud charges and all that just crippled her. So, 2016 has been a hell of a fucking year, huh?  This guy is the most powerful man in the world. When do we get to vote for Hogan? |
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Post by trashcanman on Nov 9, 2016 22:08:58 GMT 2
 Clinton is quite possibly the only person in the entire world who could have dropped that election. I think Charles Manson might have made for a better Democratic nominee. I mean, honestly, if we are just going to vote celebrities into office now, at least give us Ted Nugent or somebody as awesome as they are batshit crazy. |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Nov 11, 2016 17:24:14 GMT 2
Honestly, if they'd let Bernie run he'd have won it.  I'd vote for that dude. It's.. a worrying time. With "Brexit" in the UK and now this, it's like the world has suddenly become more divisive and paranoid. We don't live in the merry old land of Oz or anything, I get that, but where we're going just cannot be the answer.   This is the world we live in now. |
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Post by trashcanman on Nov 11, 2016 21:59:33 GMT 2
Somebody showed me this article from Cracked about how we've come to this that is actually the most intelligent thing I've read on the net in ages: www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/As the son of a farmer in rural SinCal I can tell you this is all true. I saw only one Clinton sign this year. One. Trump signs absolutely dominated the landscape in my region, and it's largely because the government has dammed our water supply in this drought and potentially left the entire region without a livelihood or economy. Not one person I talked to ever said they like Trump, but what they do say is that with Clinton they know exactly what they're getting, so they see no reason not to roll the dice on Trump. |
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Post by Ben on Nov 22, 2016 5:00:29 GMT 2
The people who are surprised are the people who don't know what the fuck is going on in America. We're at a 40-year low in workforce participation, but all we hear on the news is how great the economy is doing. I saw that Cracked article a while ago, Trashcanman, and it's got a lot of truth in it even if it isn't all the way there. I've read a few others like it in recent weeks. It's as if some beat writers suspected this was going to happen but had to keep their mouths shut lest they be laughed at and ridiculed, which in itself is its own sad problem within American news media. As for the swastika pics, who knows who drew those? It could just as easily have been angry liberals. Hell, Hillary supporters are the ones who rioted post election. And then there's this Muslim girl, who made up a story about getting attacked by Trump supporters and is now herself being charged for filing a false police report. And this woman who falsely claimed she was raped because she was upset over the election results. And this film producer who lied about being beaten up by Trump supporters. Not to mention that the "Trump supporters" who got violent at his rallies were actually plants, which we now know thanks to WikiLeaks and Project Veritas. If this election opened our eyes to anything as a country, it's how dishonest and manipulative the media and our politicians are. But nobody's eyes have been opened because Americans are idiots, and people are more concerned about being butthurt about something they didn't have much control over in the first place. Extra shoutout to all the non-voters in Florida who are whining. Fools. All I can say for Trump is that I hope he cleans fucking house. |
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Post by trashcanman on Nov 22, 2016 20:20:03 GMT 2
My eyes weren't opened by this because I was already aware of all that. But when I say the media decides who we vote for and nobody bothers to so much as look at career politician's public voting records (just a google away) so our votes mean nothing and the president's job is to do what the fuck he's told by people with enough money to ruin him so that even if our votes did matter, who we vote for doesn't, they act like I'm a raving conspiracy theorist lunatic (even the people who happily voted an insane "Birther" into the Oval Office) who hates America rather than somebody who loves it enough to pay attention and question how two of the worst human beings on the planet became our only choices and we just accepted it.
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Post by Ben on Nov 22, 2016 22:50:38 GMT 2
I wasn't referring to you, obviously. I know you know the media isn't in the business of truth-telling. The average voter, though? It's funny how everyone bandies about how corrupt politicians are and how much it sucks and how someone ought to DO something about it, and then the very same people flocked to Clinton because the first ever legitimate outsider's rhetoric is somehow scarier than an actual career political prostitute whose corruption was exposed via WikiLeaks for all to see. Or how about all the folks who whine incessantly about how every politician is a liar, but then they believe every awful thing that comes out of a candidate's mouth on the campaign trail. I'm still amazed how many people have talked themselves into believing Hillary was a preferable alternative, as if there was an honorable choice to make on the 8th that didn't involve staying home.
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Post by trashcanman on Nov 23, 2016 22:16:57 GMT 2
So true. It's like this all some reality show and nothing really has real life consequences. They don't consider their choices carefully, yet they get so emotionally involved it baffles me. It'll be interesting to see how and if it can get any worse or if maybe people will actually start valuing their choices a little.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Nov 27, 2016 22:18:44 GMT 2
There are all kinds of false news and click-bait about this, but is it true that they're talking about a recount? Is that right? It's crazy to me that Clinton actually got more votes but those don't count, or something? American politics makes no sense to me.
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Post by trashcanman on Nov 28, 2016 2:38:43 GMT 2
Nor to us. They're ALWAYS talking about a recount. And the losing side always marches with this ridiculous "Not MY President" and "Imma leave the country" nonsense too. I've heard Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump won thanks to the Electoral College system we use, where instead of the simple "candidate with the most votes wins" approach they determine the winner with an objective-based strategy board game scoring system where each state is worth x number of points and winning the popular vote in a state state nets you all of the points and whoever has the most points wins. When a Democrat wins in this manner, Republicans screech for years about how the Electoral College goes against the will of the American public, and when a Republican wins that way, they defend it while Democrats suddenly take issue. It's fucking exhausting.
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Post by Ben on Dec 1, 2016 20:18:22 GMT 2
The recount is all hot air and, if you're extra cynical, perhaps a way for Jill Stein to pad her pockets before she makes her quiet escape from the public eye. I am somewhat surprised that Hillary jumped on board, though. I mean, she spent the two weeks leading up to the election soapboxing about how Donald's refusal to not challenge the results was against the spirit and the soul of our sacrosanct political system. Not only that, but recounts usually only result in a fraction of a percentage point of all votes cast being added to the loser's tally. She has to overcome over 60,000 votes in one of the states she lost. Never gonna happen.
Like Trashcanman said, the losing side always gets all butthurt about the electoral college rules after the fact. In 2012 there was talk of states moving away from the winner-take-all system (which is entirely up to them--two of our states already split their electoral votes) because it was thought that the Dems had already achieved a permanent majority in most of their states. But Donald blew that idea up.
I have to admit, in spite of its flaws I'm a proponent of retaining the electoral college. At least now candidates have to pretend to be interested in half the states and otherwise ignored regions of the country like the Midwest. And to pretend to be interested in those areas, they have to actually explore some of the hot button issues and goings-on there. If it was a straight up popular vote they'd spend all of their time in California, New York, and Texas, which would make the rest of our votes count even less than they already do. But that's the funny thing about all this whining, too: if there was no electoral college, who's to say Hillary would have won the popular vote? Republicans in New York and California know it's completely fucking futile to vote for the presidency. How many stay home because their votes don't count?
tl;dr: No matter what system we use, people's votes won't count equally.
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