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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 12:44:02 GMT 2
curmudgeon (is there a shorter version?), if nobody bought the outcome, they'd can the show and there wouldn't be any entertainment for you.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 27, 2008 12:55:04 GMT 2
Yeah they would. The actual single and album deal is a huge anti-climax, as you're just left with some other witless wonder clogging up the charts.
These shows don't actually NEED the singer to be successful. The fact that Patsy can watch it and not care enough to actually BUY, like, the supposed whole point of the show, speaks volumes. These shows don't make pop stars - they make 1 album deal phonies. Check out these facts and figures..
Steve Brookstein - dropped after 1 album.
Michelle McManus - dropped after 1 album.
Sam and Mark - dropped after 2 singles.
David Sneddon - dropped after 1 album.
Journey South - dropped after 1 album.
Chico - dropped after 2 singles.
Ray Quinn - dropped after 1 album.
Andy Abraham - dropped after 1 album.
There are more, it's just too depressing a list to write about.
They have immediate hits due to the sheep mentality of the audience, who hilariously forget all about them and move onto the next moron from the conveyor belt. And Simon Cowell wouldn't have it any other way.
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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 13:03:45 GMT 2
did patsy say if she voted or not? anyway, why are you so down on people who like these shows? if they like trashy disposable pop, what's to mind. it's always been around, it always will until the corporates stop making a buck out of it. reality shows will eventually die a natural death same as other genres.
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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 13:29:23 GMT 2
what 'facts and figures' have you got for girls aloud, myleene klaas, shane ward, leona lewis, g4, brenda williams, will young, lemar, kym marsh etc? some of them have made showbiz careers for themselves since appearing on prime-time telly.
do you know how the success rate compares to singers/bands outside these shows?
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 27, 2008 13:53:05 GMT 2
what 'facts and figures' have you got for girls aloud, myleene klaas, shane ward, leona lewis, g4, brenda williams, will young, lemar, kym marsh etc? some of them have made showbiz careers for themselves since appearing on prime-time telly. do you know how the success rate compares to singers/bands outside these shows? But that's one of the worst things about these shows; there are hordes of people who now think the ONLY way to make it into the music business is by appearing on a tv talent show. You see these blubbing, hysterical half-wits who want "it more than anything in the world", and 99% of them have never looked in the back of, say, NME, which is filled with "singers wanted" ads for up and coming bands. But no, its not an instant step to millions of people so it doesn't even register. And Brenda Williams? www.cyberspace-inmates.com/wllmsbk.htmNow THAT I would buy. |
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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 14:03:30 GMT 2
sorry, i meant brenda edwards www.brendamusic.org/news.htmlsuccess rates for bands/singers outside tv shows? i still reckon if it works, it works. if the music industry wasn't chockfull of muso snobs there wouldn't have been the gap in the market for these 'fame' shows. we live in a disposable society and this applies to music more and more. |
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Post by patsypending on May 27, 2008 14:05:56 GMT 2
I would buy the stuff if I liked any of it, don't get me wrong. A runner-up a couple of years ago was a guy called Elliott Yamin. His voice (imo) was fantastic. He looked like a gargoyle, but has since had his teeth (and probably other stuff) fixed. For me, his looks had nothing to do with his appeal. It was simply the voice. He could sing Stevie ALMOST as good as Stevie, and that's no mean feat. I just don't like the music he has produced since becoming "famous".
If I like the music, I don't care where anyone came from or who wrote it.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 27, 2008 14:11:03 GMT 2
The fact you got her name wrong doesn't really help your argument. |
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Post by patsypending on May 27, 2008 14:17:41 GMT 2
I believe she's playing Mamma Morton in Chicago.
The programme makers don't make them to find the next big thing, they do it to make money. How many of these series have there been? And how many have produced anyone with longevity? I can only think of Will Young, Gareth Gates and now Leona Lewis.
Anything where the public get to vote ends up as a popularity rather than talent contest. Very, very occasionally the public get it right with more than a little help from the judges.
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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 15:13:29 GMT 2
so I put my sister's surname down instead. what's your take on the different success rates between fame shows and more traditional routes to market?
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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 15:20:09 GMT 2
If I like the music, I don't care where anyone came from or who wrote it. i'm with you there. lots of great music would have fallen by the wayside if we all had closed minds. |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 27, 2008 17:24:11 GMT 2
Like what, exactly? What great masterpieces would have "fallen by the wayside" if reality TV pop music hadn't happened?
No Hearsay. No Shayne Ward. No Rik Waller. No Leon Jackson. No Gareth Gates.
The only downside would be the loss of Girls Aloud, but really, if we were spared all those (and more) horrors, I think I could live with the sacrifice.
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Post by mediko on May 27, 2008 17:30:51 GMT 2
it's having an open mind that's good, not reality shows. if a&r men had always just signed the same type of artist they always had, there'd be no beatles, bowie etc.
if some film producer hadn't had the cojones to turn comic strips into movies, you'd be sitting here discussing the merits of doh a fucking deer all day.
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Post by Isis on May 27, 2008 18:08:49 GMT 2
i only watch the auditions in these shows, just for the sheer comedy value.......does that make me a bad person?  ;D Im not really into pop music as such, I prefer your geeetaaar based rock or indie music, or at least someone who can play an instrument when they are writing their own songs...... and it really irritates me when a pop group call themselves a band - a band is a group of musicians.....not Steps or S Club  LOL |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on May 28, 2008 21:14:49 GMT 2
it's having an open mind that's good, not reality shows. if a&r men had always just signed the same type of artist they always had, there'd be no beatles, bowie etc. if some film producer hadn't had the cojones to turn comic strips into movies, you'd be sitting here discussing the merits of doh a fucking deer all day. Of course having an open mind is good - and that's exactly the thing these "moguls" like Simon Cowell DON'T have. There's nothing wrong with a&r men (did I ever say there was?) but here's a good example. There's a singer in the UK (I don't know where you're from, you anonymous little "red" people, you) called Mika. Now, HE went for an interview with Simon Cowell. Cowell said he liked his voice but didn't like his songs (something Mika found funny as Cowell sat with a framed gold Tellytubbies record). So, if Cowell had his way, falsetto singing Mika would either be singing Bee Gees covers or songs written by glossy American super producers (a la Leona Lewis). The result? Mika found another record company and produced the multi-platinum, Brit and Ivor Novello award winning "Life In Cartoon Motion", with all songs written by Mika. Now, whatever you think of the finished record, if Mika had auditioned for X-Factor he would be signed to record "Staying Alive" and then dropped like a hot rock. |
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