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Post by The Curmudgeon on Dec 13, 2007 20:23:28 GMT 2
On the subject of Metallica, what the fuck was that "classical" thing all about?
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Post by Benjamin Haines on Dec 13, 2007 23:18:16 GMT 2
On the subject of Metallica, what the fuck was that "classical" thing all about? Are you talking about their 1999 S&M concert with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra? If that's what you mean, it was a one-time-only performance blending of two different genres of music. Composer Michael Kamen wrote a symphonic score to complement twenty classic Metallica songs and then conducted the SFSO as the band played them live. I thought it was incredible. |
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Post by Ben on Dec 13, 2007 23:35:08 GMT 2
I agree. S&M was absolutely awesome. Have you seen the DVD Benjamin?
After the Black Album Metallica went sour for me. I like a few off of Load, 1 off of Reload, and as for St. Anger, let's face it... besides the track "The Unnamed Feeling" the whole album is shit. Purify has got to be the most pitiful excuse for a Metallica song EVER. The vocals are TERRIBLE. The drumming is TERRIBLE. The whole album is TERRIBLE.
I actually used to like St. Anger before I knew what music was.
As for the new album, I'll be front and center at Best Buy to pick it up the day it comes out. But if it sucks, then Metallica earns a permanent spot in my trash can.
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Post by Benjamin Haines on Dec 14, 2007 0:06:27 GMT 2
I agree. S&M was absolutely awesome. Have you seen the DVD Benjamin? Yes indeed. As for the new album, I'll be front and center at Best Buy to pick it up the day it comes out. But if it sucks, then Metallica earns a permanent spot in my trash can. Here's what Matt Sorum (drummer for Velvet Revolver) had to say about the unfinished tracks off the new Metallica album which Lars Ulrich played for him: Lars is a good friend of mine. He played me the demos from San Francisco, and I turned and looked at him and I said, 'Master that shit and put it out.' It's ridiculous. The demos were sick. Eight-minute songs, all these tempo changes, crazy fast. It's like, 'Dude, don't get slower when you get older, but don't get faster!? How are you gonna play this live?' And then me and Lars were out partying all night, and he had to go in the studio the next day and do this stupid like nine- or ten-minute song, and I was laughing at him — because he played me the demo of it, and it was [sings really fast drum part], so fast. I called him, and said, 'Dude, how are you feeling?' He was like, 'Dude, I'm hurting.' They're cutting everything to tape, no fuckin' ProTools — live, no clicks. Bitchin'. I dig it. I'm really excited for them. |
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Post by trashcanman on Dec 14, 2007 12:22:31 GMT 2
All right, man, you've stated your case well. I can't say that I agree, but I respect sticking to your guns. "S&M" -awful title aside- had some pretty awesome moments. That said, the original single off of it, "No Leaf Clover", was not one of them. If you haven't heard the cartoon death metal band, Dethklok, they have a song called "Dethharmonic" that blows anything on that album out of the water. Consider my fingers crossed for the new stuff. I love Trujillo and can see him saving this band as much as I've seen Lars Ulrich bring it down. This is their last chance to get off of my shit list.
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Post by Ben on Dec 15, 2007 7:30:32 GMT 2
Well, Benjamin, that would comfort me slightly if Velvet Revolver wasn't so terrible... and you know Sorum isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer if he's friends with Lars. Guhuh.
You didn't like "No Leaf Clover" Trashcanman? I thought it was a hell of a lot better than the likes of "I Disapppear."
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Post by trashcanman on Dec 16, 2007 0:12:23 GMT 2
Yeah, but then again a prostate exam is better than "I Disappear". The only post-Black Album Metallica songs I've cared for were "King Nothing" and "Fuel". And I wasn't carzy about them, they were just listenable. When I saw 'Tallica live and they played NLC, the crowd just kind of stopped and waited for the next song, you know? How can that compete with "Saniterium", "Fade to Black", "Creeping Death", and "Whiplash"?
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Post by Benjamin Haines on Dec 16, 2007 1:42:12 GMT 2
For the St. Anger haters, Metallica recently played at the Bridge School Benefit Concert in San Francisco this past October. One of the songs they performed was an acoustic version of "All Within My Hands", the final track on St. Anger. I liked the album version, but I must say that this acoustic rendition improves the song drastically. Give it a listen. I added it to my MySpace: www.myspace.com/benhummer2Hell, just imagine if they had gone that route for St. Anger and made it an all-acoustic album! If you haven't heard the cartoon death metal band, Dethklok, they have a song called "Dethharmonic" that blows anything on that album out of the water. Oh yes, I love Dethklok (and Metalocalypse in general). But there is one thing about them that does slightly bother me, and that's the fact that their sound is entirely processed. It's cool that Brendon Small does all of the instruments and vocals and pretty much made that band singlehandedly, but it does mean that what you hear on the record is completely cut-and-paste. This doesn't prevent me from enjoying the music (I am a fan of rap after all), but the undiagnosed OCD in me is definitely irked by it. I think that's one of the things I love most about S&M. It's a live album, so what you hear on there is the music as it's happening. No layering, no editing, no ProTools. It's a hard-hitting heavy metal band and a hundred-piece symphony orchestra coming together to fuse two different worlds of music into one harmonious masterwork, and the resulting sound was captured as it happened. Now that I think about it, that's probably the single album in my collection that I've listened to the most. The only thing more incredible to me is watching and hearing the concert at the same time on the DVD. |
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Post by Ben on Dec 16, 2007 7:29:10 GMT 2
Whoa, I never said it compares with the classics. I was merely trying to make the point that it was (arguably) the best thing they did post-Black Album that wasn't on Garage Inc.
Benjamin, the acoustic version is definitely better than the album version, but that really isn't saying a whole lot.
As for that last bit about S&M being mindblowingly awesome (which it was, for the most part), Metallica did mess up a few times. The end of Call of the Ktulu is the one that sticks in my mind the most. You wouldn't be hearing any screw ups with the axework if a certain someone was still with the band... *cough* Dave Mustaine *cough*
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on Jan 4, 2008 20:56:59 GMT 2
Personally, I've always enjoyed this cover:  I remember it when it was originally released in '83 and of course there was the usual "spawn of Satan" talks from the religious groups over them. Satan or no, their version of CUM ON FEEL THE NOIZE kicks some major ass. I just got the CD of it, and amazingly....I enjoyed the living HELL out of it from beginning to end!  |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jan 4, 2008 21:25:40 GMT 2
Man, that is an awesome cover. Talk about eye-catching. I haven't heard the record but that sleeve is one of the best on here so far.
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Post by InvisibleWolfMan on Jan 4, 2008 22:12:11 GMT 2
I don't go pimping many metal band albums on message boards but this is one you have to hear at least ONCE in your life! |
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 5, 2008 7:20:43 GMT 2
That is a truly classic cover from a pretty bad (but in a good way) 80's pop-metal band IWM. R.I.P. Kevin Dubrow. And yes, Benjamin, live albums are usually pretty awesome unless they've been processed like many are (hello, KISS!). I love that real, raw sound and overproduction is a major dilemma in metal and punk music these days.
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Jan 5, 2008 18:06:49 GMT 2
I actually really like the covers for two of the more recent White Stripe albums.   There's apparantly a whole load of hidden metaphors and messages in the covers. I'm not really into the band so I've never been bothered to check, but if I were a big fan it would be pretty cool to sit and study them. |
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Post by trashcanman on Jan 9, 2008 13:05:24 GMT 2
Yeah, forget that mess. Those are some eye-catchingly great covers, though. And speaking of hidden messages:  The collection of people on this cover are supposedly the collsvtive influences and heroes of The Fab Four. Among them, noted Satanist and black magician Aleister Crowley ("Miiiiiister Crowley, did you talk to the dead?"), Karl Marx, Marilyn Monroe, Marlon Brando, and comedian Lenny Bruce. Awesome! Here's more: www.iamthebeatles.com/article1318.html |
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